October 10, 2010

Intellectual dishonesty 2010 (Part 2)

Pakistan's Café Pyala (CP) blogs posted "More breaking (away) news" on September 24, 2010, which claimed: “We have confirmed that Aaj TV's executive director news and current affairs, and host of his own show, Syed Talat Hussain, has put in his papers at the channel. He is set to bid goodbye to the struggling-for-ratings news channel at the end of October.

“Even more interesting, however, are reports that he will be joining the even-more-struggling DawnNews which is trying its best to pull itself out of its forlorn legacy as an English-language channel. According to insider sources, staff at DawnNews have already been told to expect Hussain to take over as overall head of the newly-Urduized news channel in November.”

Many anonymous people commented on the post. Someone talked about Habib R. Sulemani, and then whatever happened, we're presenting here the related comments and let you decide what kind of a behavior is it!

Anonymous commentator said: Cafe Pyala! This is yet another fearless piece... congrats... but why you are silent on yet another "hot" story at Dawn Media Group... the alleged involvement of Zaffar Abbas in the ISI-planned murder plot of journalist Habib Sulemani... plus who is the real editor of daily Dawn, by the way...!?

In response, Magnum reacted: @ Anon. Utter nonsense. There is no such case. Where do you get your info from, man? From Dr. Aafia's sis?

Anonymous said: @Magnum! You don't know about the case of Habib R. Sulemani? If you are a journalist (as claimed by Reesha (another commentator): Muhammad Hanif, Shandana Mehnas and Nadeem F. Paracha) then I'm really surprised by the intellectual dishonesty... anyways, plz visit these sites:

1- Daily Times, "Family under attack" http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/print.asp?page=2010\07\24\story_24-7-2010_pg3_7

2- PressPakistan Google group, "Letters to PFUJ & Dawn" http://groups.google.com.pk/g/6e57f9b6/t/a2cf302eadf6c27c/.../b8162a23d3378ae9

3- Criminal inquiry sought http://theterrorland.blogspot.com/2010/06/criminal-inquiry-sought.html

Alpha Za, also a regular commentator on The Terrorland group blogs, said: Btw, the comments seem to have gone in all directions. From Pyala's identities (sounds like we have a consensus) to the 'Habib Sulemani' driven conspiracy theories (for the record, I'm not doubting the claims, I just don't see the relevance to the post).

Anonymous said: @Alpha Za I think the issue of Zaffar Abbas is very relevant to discuss here, because there are allegations that that the Abbas Brothers have a "Freemason-like" group in the media industry... therefore we should not hesitate to talk about them... this is not the mainstream Pakistani media but the free social media :-)

Anonymous 4:22 PM said: Habib Sulemani is as obvious a case of schizophrenic paranoia as you could find in a textbook study, and that's apparent just from reading the third link cited above by anon@12.21. No more comment necessary to the laughable claims.

When the news reached one of our blog moderators, the Webmaster, commented: 

@Anon 4:22 PM

1) How did you guess from a web link that Mr Sulemani is a "case of schizophrenic paranoia"?

2) As you say that you read this "schizophrenic term" in some textbook... did it make you an expert or it's just a traditional trick of psychological warfare (according the The Terrorland blogs besides Zaffar Abbas, Farman Ali and Adeel Raza, there is also a psychologist, Dr Najma Najam, among the accused)?

3) You have announced (as if the owner of Cafe Pyala blogs) "no more comments"... Why? Because journalists with God-like image (i.e, Zaffar and Talat) only matter in Pakistan... ordinary journalists like Sulemani never get counted?

4) You have declared the assassination attempts on Mr Sulemani and his sister "laughable claims"... do you have any proof in this regard?

In the meantime, Anonymous 5:24 PM announced that the “breaking news” was not true, saying that Talat Hussain might had spread the news to bargain a better deal with Aaj TV.

Another Anonymous said: @Anon 4:22 should have been 4:20 ;-)

Yet another Anonymous said: @webmaster: hello habib sulemani. yes, please seek professional help.

agha jee said: just came home, tired of the desk job, ah, but the comments here didn't let me sleep...

@webmaster i think u r a lawyer... ur arguments r rational, can't be denied, this says a lot about the "powerful accused" in the habib sulemani case. i have read his blogs, the terrorland.

@anon 9:36 how do u say that webmaster is actually habib sulemani? if he is, then such a wise man or someone else needs "help"?

Webmaster repeated Anonymous 5:24 PM announcement of the false breaking news... and then asked the moderator of CP a polite question: "DawnNews deal with Talat Hussain has fallen on the rocks. He wanted DN to hire some of his close associate at his suggested remunerations, which DN CEO Shakeel Masood refused to buy. Or TH might have spread the news to bargain a better deal with Aaj tv. Who knows in this electronic media hopping and poaching. @ Anonymous September 24, 2010 5:24 PM"

So Cafe Pyala is also a member or mouthpiece of Zaffar Abbas' alleged "Freemason-like" gang "Abbasanian"?

This made the moderator of Café Pyala, XYZ, very angry and he wrote: A Special Note to Mr Suleimani (he wrote with a wrong spelling of the name of the journalist): This is not the first post you have spammed with your obsessions (which are completely unconnected to the topic being discussed) and adverts for your blog. Since you run your own blog where your concerns are probably more than adequately addressed, we request you not to spam our blog any further. Any further such attempts will simply be deleted.

Usman Bashir with a broken heart reacted to XYZ's comment: interestingly as much as i heard in the tweet world about this blog, as mucnh as i am disappointed of it. What i found out that this blog is another masked piece of **** to express thier bitches which they cant do at some other real places and to play hide and seek in virutal world. Infect such a miserable piece of writing, no wonder, our media is under crisis. For God sake, we look forward to these joun's and what they produce.
On October 4, 2010 Café Pyala posted “How Pathetically Low Can You Go?”.  It said: “A picture has been doing the rounds on email purporting to show the debauchery of Balochistan Chief Minister Nawab Aslam Raisani. It shows a smiling Raisani with his head on the shoulders of a young, T-shirt clad girl… was immediately and conclusively dubbed a "call girl." So guess what that poor, poor girl's name is: Aana Hassan Raisani. Yes, she is Aslam Raisani's own teenage daughter, who attends school in Islamabad. And the photograph of a father expressing innocent affection for his daughter was apparently taken at their home.”

During comments what happened just see a glance of it: 

The Old Man said...

Good post. This shows the level of journalism in Pakistan! In our times, an editor, like Khan Sab at Dawn, used to be an institution, which has been destroyed. Now editorship has become a fight among the street-smarts... it has become a sheer PR-job! Just see this eyeopener I got in my email:

October 4, 2010 would be remembered as a "black day" for journalism in Pakistan as amid hushing, ZaffarAbbas, accused of criminal offenses, takes over as Editor Dawn - the newspaper founded by the founder of the country, Mr M.A. Jinnah.

Accused Zaffar is a member of the influential "Abbas Brothers". His eldest brother, Maj-Gen Athar Abbas is the chief spokesperson of the Pakistan Army. Mazhar Abbas is an executive at the ARY TV and a behind-the-doors-player at the Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists (PFUJ). Azhar Abbas is a boss at the Geo TV, accused of the tension between the PPP-led government and the top media group.

Zaffar's wife runs an NGO - Uks network in Islamabad. Criminal inquiry sought: http://t.co/IUZg7mg

October 4, 2010 12:17 PM

Rumi said...

My Dear Old Man, this is in NO way about Zaffar. Kindly keep your grudge with the changing times at Dawn for another time and place.

For all I know, he is a well respected journalist and just like Abbas, he too will go on to make Dawn even better.

October 4, 2010 1:08 PM

Anonymous said...

Oldman, you sound sick, you need to consult a doctor immediately before its too late. I don't think that Pyala is a place for venting personal hatred against individuals. Zaffar is one of the finest journalists in this country.

October 4, 2010 2:19 PM

Alpha Za said...

            @ Old Man Aka Mr. Suleimani, you're a rather persistent spammer aren't you?

October 4, 2010 3:21 PM
afia said...

As for Old Man... seems like it is true what they say about old age and senility.
How, may I know, is it a crime for members of the same family to distinguish themselves professionally?

Athar Abbas has risen up the ranks to become a general. Zaffar and Mazhar and Azhar have been through the mill of journalism right from the stage of being reporters, and reached where they are today on their professional skills. And Mazhar hasn't been behind the scenes anywhere... he has always been in the forefront of the struggle of journalists throughout his career.

As for Zaffar's wife who runs an NGO.. is that too a crime? Since when? It is a well respected NGO dedicated to combating exactly what we are discussing......... the negative portrayal of women in media.......... so Old Man... go investigate that!

October 4, 2010 5:38 PM

XYZ said...

Just a quick note to all:

Please do not respond to Mr Suleimani's post (OldMan) regarding Zaffar Abbas. The only reason we have left it up there is because a couple of people have responded to it. He has been guilty of spamming this blog for quite sometime and we have already warned him that such off-topic spam will be deleted.

October 4, 2010 7:12 PM

Naeem Ahmed said...


How do you say The Old Man is Mr Sulemani, any proof?

October 4, 2010 7:41 PM
Anonymous said...

we all know old man is sulemani, as perhaps is naeem ahmed, who, like sulemani often does, asks for 'proof'. silly senile bugger :)

October 4, 2010 8:40 PM

Anonymous said...

CP u r exposed by now fully, believe me!

October 4, 2010 10:13 PM


1- More breaking (away) news, Café Pyala: http://cafepyala.blogspot.com/2010/09/more-breaking-away-news.html

2- The hypocritical media, The Express Tribune: http://tribune.com.pk/story/52907/the-hypocritical-media

3- Intellectual dishonesty 2010 (Part 1), Press Pakistan Google Groups: http://theterrorland.blogspot.com/2010/06/intellectual-dishonesty-2010.html


  1. a fool omar quraishi thinks he is making people fool with his pyala. 99 pc comments r by the moderators actually moderator. did u c his recent article in the express tribune. half in praise of zaffar abbas n half in his own praise. dude u wanna get job back at dawn, huh :):)


  2. Someone has pointed out these comments @ CP:

    Rehman said...

    You guys are doing fine job. But think about the media monopoly and cartelization of news in Pakistan that has made working journalists helpless!
    July 8, 2010 7:32 AM

    Rehman said...

    If you dare to publish... I want to add to my previous comment: the issue of journalist Habib R. Sulemani is an example of "media monopoly" and "cartelization of news" in the "democratic" Pakistan today!
    July 8, 2010 4:29 PM

    Rehman said...

    I read in the papers today: CNN has sacked its senior editor of Middle East affairs just for a simplistic statement about a deceased leader of Hezbollah. I wonder, there are criminal allegations, including patronizing terrorism, against a former Resident Editor of a major English language newspaper in Islamabad… but, instead of proper investigation into the matter, the newspaper has designated the accused it’s Chief Editor, based in Karachi… where are professional ethics? What will Mr Jinnah think about ‘criminals’ in journalism?

    Cafe Pyala! Thanks for making a difference in the cyberspace. Be blessed.
    July 9, 2010 9:28 AM

    Anonymous said...

    yes, great news indeed that CNN sacked its editor because Hezbollah can't be good, Palestinians can't be Good, Hamas can't be Good, Islam can't be Good and must be demonized at all costs and that is the official policy of CNN and other zionist mouth pieces
    If these are the ethics of western media than I would say that Pakistani media is much better, at-least it isn't forcing everyone to tow the same propagandist line

    and its high time that you also get you name changes from Rehman to Ram because those who you are trying to appease won't accept you wholeheartedly until and unless you are ready to forgo the last (symbolic) shred of Islam from yourself
    July 9, 2010 10:36 AM

    Anonymous said...

    well, firstly, anything even mildly damning of the army in our case would be instantly termed a security threat and an attempt to destabilize pakistan, because, as we all know, pak army IS pakistan, the rest of us are just roughing it out.

    secondly, our generals/politicians would deny it outright and file a 2 billion rupee defamation case against the poor chap who filed this report, besides him and his family being court martialled privately.

    i was actually SHOCKED that general mcchrystal did not even try to retract his statements or attempt to explain his position...
    July 9, 2010 12:22 PM

    aynalif said...

    @Anon 12:22 - you are being too generous - anyone in Pakistan speaking against the army or ISI would disappear.
    July 10, 2010 1:37 AM

    Rehman said...

    "Anonymous"... I'm laughing out load!
    July 10, 2010 4:41 AM


  3. Cafe Pyala is commonly known as among MQM propagandists on Twitter along with @FiveRupees @Mirza9 @akchishti @theselongwars @tazeen @uroojzia etc;

    @cpyala is a “media critic” blog which has never written on Pakistani media’s silence (or misrepresentations) on Shia Hazara genocide, Baloch genocide and Kurram blockade;

    It is the same blog which wholeheartedly supported ISI’s (@ejazhaider etc) criticism on AatishTaseer’s piece in WSJ;

    It is the same blog which blames prosecution and police for the release of Malik Ishaq and other terrorists by ISI-backed CJP;

    It is the same blog which dishonestly promoted a defamatory and sectarian video against Aamir Liaquat Hussain, which was manufactured by none else but Samad Khurram and Ghulam Mustafa, co-manager of pkpolitics with the help of a Geo TV insider;

    It is the same blog which speculates on everything under the sun but refused to comment on Wali Khan Babar’s murder.

    ISI, MQM, DAWN and the Abbas brothers are holly cows and Cafe Pyala can’t write about them. Everyone knows the reason!