tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3287793560843140065.post3305693620192717463..comments2023-12-19T10:55:44.766+05:00Comments on THE TERRORLAND - Habib Sulemani Blog: Tribalism — a wild wish to make Hunza utopia of the world!THE TERRORLANDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10544711552734475750noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3287793560843140065.post-44397726772484892582011-11-06T03:41:46.943+05:002011-11-06T03:41:46.943+05:00Farooq Ahmed Khan twitted on November 1, 2011
The...Farooq Ahmed Khan twitted on November 1, 2011<br /><br />The Tajiks of Xinjiang sometimes enslaved the Gilgiti and Kunjuti HunzaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3287793560843140065.post-343604870411566442010-11-25T09:48:46.921+05:002010-11-25T09:48:46.921+05:00Words of thanks from The Terrorland Team
After p...Words of thanks from The Terrorland Team <br /><br />After publication of Mr. Zeenat Shah's article here, the original site also gathered some comments. Owner of the blogs, Brigadier Hisamullah Beg, at the end of his blogs has given a link to our blog as well. Thank you Brigadier Sahib. <br /><br />And thank you Mr. Zeenat Shah for writing on a controversial topic with honesty, and provided us the opportunity to debate it democratically. <br /><br />We also want to thank Pamir Times for the debate on its website. Thank you Nelly Agwu and all others for their valuable comments. <br /><br />We want nothing should be a "taboo subject" anymore in the world especially in Pakistan. If we want to see our country as a respected nation-state in the modern world, then civil liberty should be respected by the government and establishment. <br /><br />Opposing and different points of view should be encouraged instead of being hushed! Debate on sensitive and controversial topics is a healthy attitude. In this way any issue will not become a dangerous volcano... to destroy everything... bust it with freedom of expression! <br /><br />Our society should now enjoy the blessings of freedom of thought and freedom of expression. This is the demand of the cyber world.THE TERRORLANDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10544711552734475750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3287793560843140065.post-85525549604018943902010-11-25T09:35:02.744+05:002010-11-25T09:35:02.744+05:00Jojon | November 13, 2010 at 5:09 pm |
As far as ...Jojon | November 13, 2010 at 5:09 pm |<br /><br />As far as the history of Hunza is concerned, it is debatable. To me, it was full of discrimination of the people at all levels in the hands of the ruling elite and its aids (Wazeers, Trangfas, Arbobs, Yarpas, Charboos and even the personal servents of the Mirs) have equally discriminated the poor people. The reason for their non agitation and uprising was mainly due to extreme poverty, ignorance of their rights and duties due to illiteracy, and strict punishments to the culprits and their entire family and inaccessibility to the outside world and media.<br /><br />The justice system was highly questionable and not something that we should be proud of. The glorious stories were all written by the westerners who had to enjoy the royal hospitality and their interaction with the general public was almost negligible as the level of education was almost zero.<br /><br />Nobody has ever bothered to investigate how the state of Hunza was run what was the level of public welfare and prosperity at that time. I would like to share here this link to find our how was the glory of Hunza been actually.<br /><br />http://www.biblelife.org/hunza.htm<br /><br />I hope we should come out of these exaggerated glories and live in the real world. Our society is in a real bad shape and needs urgent attention of some serious minds.<br />---<br />mano | November 13, 2010 at 10:57 pm |<br /><br />Agreed with jojon as Mr. Zeenat shah is pushing us backwards to the dark age in the history of hunza where his ancestors were 2nd in command. Tomorrow he will demand to bring another alien like previous Mirs to impose on us.<br />---<br /><br />Dirum_Fiti | November 16, 2010 at 4:28 pm |<br /><br />Mr. Zeenat Shah proposes to take the Hunza people back to the stone age. He actually wants to revive the detested system of cast, clan and monopoly where the powerful was the oppressor and weak was the oppressed for centuries. Such a system cannnot practically exist in modern times as the days of monopoly over knowledge and information are gone.<br /><br />The writer must understand that life is not a fairy tale, a bedtime story …. life is a stark reality that has its own dynamics…. and the reality is that we are living in 21 century … and before us are the kind of challenges that we have had never imagined of.<br /><br />Revival of the past is a kind of sentiment that gives solace to the timid souls for a while but it doesn’t solve the problems of the future. On greater scale, the idea of revival of Islam has proved to be a complete failure because it turned the Muslims into worst kind of cynics, cowards and worshipers of the past. Instead of getting rid of the shackles of past and face the future boldly, the so called Islamic revival movements gave Muslims excuses to shy away from the present and future.<br /><br />The development model proposed by Mr. Zeenat is therefore fatal to the true development of the people of Hunza.<br /><br />Over the last few decades, various development agencies including AKDN have given us a time tested development model that has successful led our people into the educated and enlightened world.<br /><br />Politically speaking, we still have not got our share of the pie . In a sense, the past glory of Hunza state in the modern times has reduced to nothing more than a decree issued by the tehsil office. To be realistic, the Mir of Hunza and state of Hunza has reduced to the level of a tehsil administered by the Tehsildar. Romance with the past will not make too much a difference to this embarassing situation unless our people reckon with a new vision for their political future.<br /><br />Our efforts should rather be focused on greater political and economic share for Hunza in the context of growing importance of Gilgit Baltistan for the countries around the region. This alone gaurantees a better future for our comming generations.<br />(Courtesy:http://pamirtimes.net/2010/11/12/debate-from-tribalism-to-more-tribalism-a-vision-for-hunza/#comments)THE TERRORLANDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10544711552734475750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3287793560843140065.post-23720151362325778922010-11-25T09:33:00.047+05:002010-11-25T09:33:00.047+05:00Anonymous said...
Who is this Zeenat Shah and wha...Anonymous said...<br /><br />Who is this Zeenat Shah and what is this confused man talking about. Why such things are posted, why Council's name is used. These are the questions and ofcourse is due to the unmature leaderships occupying the RC. Please stop all these, these people have nothing to do with politics, talk about the rehebilation of Attaabad, discuss the difficulties faced by the people of Gojal and than discuss the social economy issues and way forward for Hunza.<br />November 13, 2010 4:39 PM<br />---<br />Anonymous said...<br /><br />The problem with tribalism is that it results in closet-mentality, where nostalgia replaces reality with illusions.<br /><br />The 'intellectual' piece - as some relative of the Zulmat-e-Shab or Noor-al-Sahar, whatever the case maybe - has said, is in reality a manifestation of a sincere desire to bring about a change in the society. While not doubting intentions of Zeenat Shah, I will definitely question his approach to social management. The time when smaller sizes were manageable are gone. Hunza, or any other valley of GB for that matter, has transcended briskly into a global village where people are highly aware about their rights. No doubt the Hunzukuts' willingness to assert themselves for gaining the absent rights has fallen a prey to gluttony, possibilized by the bounties that came with demise of the chieftain.<br /><br />However, the embankment of tribalism may never be able to stand in front of the waves of modernity. The concept of sifting through the dust of delusional past-glory, that too in search for the future, is not only full of unattractiveness, it is also antithetic to all that our generation stands or strives for.<br /><br />Thanks for sharing this different idea, nevertheless.<br />November 16, 2010 1:01 AM <br />(Courtesy: http://hisamullahbeg.blogspot.com/2010/08/hunza-that-zeenat-shah-wants.html)THE TERRORLANDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10544711552734475750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3287793560843140065.post-73419272557943343862010-11-25T09:30:44.718+05:002010-11-25T09:30:44.718+05:00Anonymous said...
The writer, by mentioning his d...Anonymous said...<br /><br />The writer, by mentioning his designation at the council, has tried to present his case as an opinion of the IRCG.<br /><br />I would just like to say that the Councils shall refrain from politics. It would be disastrous for Ismailies across Pakistan.<br /><br />Let's not jeopardize the innocent people for the fantasies of an individual.<br />November 8, 2010 1:29 AM<br />---<br />Brong said...<br /><br />I totally agree with the above comment. Please remove the title of the said person from the paper and present it as an individual. Not only Hunza but the whole Ismaili faith are already experincing the consequnces of mixing the language and culture with faith and practices.<br /><br />I dont know why Mr Zeenat while mentioning his portfolio in Council has written and dessiminated on a topic which is relevant to a specific region or community. Pls Pls Pls our so called intellectuals dont play with the emotions and affilaitions of the people.<br />November 9, 2010 11:57 AM<br />---<br />Farhat Baig said...<br /><br />An intellectual idea by an intellectual.<br />November 13, 2010 1:46 AM<br />Karim said...<br /><br />I agree with the Anonymous on the use of the name of our councils.<br /><br />But Hunza is in a mess these days, our society is full of all sorts of evil that are eating up our society like parasites. We need to address these issues by our civil society institutions not by the councils.<br /><br />Our past has never been so glorious as some people may be thinking. It was full of injustices, biases, hatred, etc. It really needs an independent and professional research by anthropologists, that has never been done.<br /><br />The present Hunza is morally bankrupt and the evils of nepotism, favoritism, financial indiscipline, fraud, use and trade in all sorts of drugs, immoral practices etc. The real question is, where are we heading to, with this level of societal shortcomings?<br /><br />A wast majority of the population of Hunza are Ismailis, but out of these there are very few who really practice the faith according to the will and vision of their Imam (leader). If we live according to the vision of the Imam of the time and within the ethical code of conduct of the faith, I am sure 90% if the problems that we are facing today will be gone.<br /><br />We need to build civil society advocacy organizations and redirect our youth towards education, ethical principles of our faith, tolerance, coexistence and respecting each other. This is the only way forward otherwise we will be blown away by the strong winds of the corruption, incompetence, bad governence and hatred which has taken over the political setup of the whole Gilgit Baltistan in particular and our country Pakistan in general.<br />November 13, 2010 11:57 AM <br />(Courtesy: http://hisamullahbeg.blogspot.com/2010/08/hunza-that-zeenat-shah-wants.html)THE TERRORLANDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10544711552734475750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3287793560843140065.post-61684597583754489762010-11-25T08:41:24.031+05:002010-11-25T08:41:24.031+05:00Tribalism is a cause of many restfulness in develo...Tribalism is a cause of many restfulness in developing nations. It retards growth and creates mistrust. Is a cankerworm.Nelly Agwunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3287793560843140065.post-38216457125403198822010-11-11T22:10:06.649+05:002010-11-11T22:10:06.649+05:00@ khalid, there is phone no on the Brig's blog...@ khalid, there is phone no on the Brig's blog, may be it is the writer. <br /><br />yes, it's possible. how can officer refuse if a senior orders something out of the blue. govt officers should not be in immamati orgs. they are vulnerable unlike the businessmen of our khuja brothers. <br /><br />those jammati leaders who do something against MHI's policy, they must be criticised. it would not be a critique of the faith but the people among us who run the affairs locally. <br /><br />the brig's family had a terrible history during the Mir System. but his father was a great scholar and social worker. he himself is a gentleman too. this is what i know as a village fellow.Qallandarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3287793560843140065.post-81030268658684572032010-11-08T16:58:49.510+05:002010-11-08T16:58:49.510+05:00@Anonymous i partially agree with your comments......@Anonymous i partially agree with your comments... but who is this Zeenat Shah? is he a real Hunzukut or just a ghost writer... by the way a brother of the Brigadier is a top ISI officer... may be he is the actual author of this controversial script to divide Ismailis on ethnic basis... as the Shias and Sunnis are fighting each other in Gilgit... therefore the secret agency wants to divide the Ismailis... so that they could not become powerful... right???Khalidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3287793560843140065.post-45907408037169878932010-11-08T00:52:20.721+05:002010-11-08T00:52:20.721+05:00I am surprised to read the assertion of Zeenat Sha...I am surprised to read the assertion of Zeenat Shah that former sate was an "ethnic entity". How come? Were not the Wakhis and Shins living in that state? <br /><br />Or is the writer "envisioning" a Hunz-minus-other ethnicities? <br /><br />Some observations: <br /><br />1. The North - South debate is outdated. Now we have more Hunzukuts (Badakhshanis) living in the South and East and West than those living in the "north"! And of course the trend is likely to increase with the passage of time, for good. What does the good 'visionary' want to do with this category of Hunzukuts?<br /><br />2. The writer seems to be neglecting other important segments of the "Badakhshanis", including the people of Ghizar, Gilgit and Chitral. Hunza is not centre of the universe, is it? <br /><br />3.The institutions created by MHI, in his own words, need the constant support of the Jammat for moving forward. "We should not expect perfection from the institutions", is a phrase that has signs for the people of understanding! <br /><br />4. What about the institutions of the government of Pakistan and those of the government of Gilgit - Baltistan? What is Hunza's future 'envisioned' position in the geo-political realities? <br /><br />The write-up by Zeenat Shah is a confused expression of an individual's built-over-time frustration. That the writer wants to restore the 'lost glory' of Caravan Looters (for whom he uses the ambitious term of martial-race) is a laughable argument. <br /><br />I think we should not give this piece a second thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com